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Imagine there were no commentators —– M D R

Didn’t one version of the John Lennon song Imagine contain a line: imagine there’s no commentaries on marriage and divorce? I dunno, maybe.

Just think for a moment where we’d be if there were not all these ideas connected to the passages that are usually refererred to as MDR or marriage divorce & remarriage.

There are so many little man made ideas that have been repeated so often that they seem almost a part of the biblical texts themselves. And to question them is tantamount to questioning the words of Christ.

But if you should feel so daring today, I invite you to step into the world of the iconoclast for a few moments. And let us examine but one of several of these concepts that may not actually be rooted in the teachings of Christ but rather within the imaginations of men.

The psalmist speaks praise for the blessed man that meditates upon God’s law day and night. Ps 1:2. With that in mind, I’ve looked at the four places in the gospels known as MDR and have a question regarding the notion of living in adultery.

To preface my question: We’ve heard the zealous preacher and his condemnation of those that live in adultery and the usual sequence of events that led up to this perpetual state. First there was what is known as an unscriptural divorce. What followed that was an unscriptural remarriage. And with both of those events accomplished, the man and woman are carrying on in adultery that does not end until they either divorce or sleep in separate beds.

Now when the proponent of this teaching is pressed for scriptural support of his hypothesis, he will inevitably point to the MDR passages. And he will offer his subtle paraphrased version of them as if they are written like this: Whososever has put away his wife and has married another doth commit adultery. But that is not the actual verse(s). It looks pretty close to what the MDR verses say but is in fact a revision. Lets look very closely at the verb tenses in the ACTUAL verses. Let us ask of t…


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The Laws of the Land

Shalom and Blessings to all in the Lord,

for me the biggest hurdle for accepting biblically based plural marriage was acceptable was coming to grips with the laws of the land verses the laws of God. For example, many conservative scholarly Christians actually admit that there is nothing wrong with a man having more than one wife. However, they default to the concept that believers are obligated to follow the states mandates regarding marriage.

Here is one authors position on the topic. I submit this because I think its interesting that uses the First Century believers as an example:

"The world of outer darkness is a law to itself, and orders it to suit its own notions of right. The Law of Moses allowed a plurality of wives, and divorce, and punished the ‘social evil’ with death. Jesus, who was ‘made under the law,’ did not interfere with the law, but forbade divorce upon any other ground than the wife’s unfaithfulness. The apostle, whose authority he declared equal to his own in teaching the things of the Deity, allowed divorce on another ground, and for the sake of peace to the Christian party. But to carry out this gospel liberty would place a man or woman as a criminal at the bar of Gentile justice and law. Therefore, Peter has said: ‘submit yourself to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake’ provided, of course, that in so doing, his precepts were not transgressed; this apostolic tradition applies also to their ordinances of marriage. They [the world] forbid two contemporary wives, allow divorce on unscriptural grounds, and tolerate the ‘social evil’ to any extent without punishment. Hence a saint, regulated by the word, would have only one wife at a time; he would seek divorce only on scriptural grounds, and avoid the ‘social evil’ as the plague." J Thomas 1866

The biblical passage that the author refers to is found in Romans 13: 1-7

"1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has …


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Just because polygamy is not illegal does it make it moral?

Currently I basically believe polygamy is probably biblical acceptable, but there is one last question I need answered before I can know it is certainly acceptable.

Basically I have seen three types of arguments against polygamy, only the third one is potentially valid in my opinion[/size]

1. Someone did something in history
A. Adam married only one wife
B. Bad things happened to polygamists

2. Polygamy is forbidden for some people therefor it should be forbidden for all people
A. Certain specific Church leadership positions

Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
1 Timothy 3:2 NIV
A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
1 Timothy 3:12 NIV
An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient
Titus 1:6 NIV

B. The King
The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself or make the people return to Egypt to get more of them, for the LORD has told you, "You are not to go back that way again." He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.
Deuteronomy 17:16-17 NIV

3. There is no written rule against polygamy but it is still morally wrong. It is an unwritten moral rule.[/size]

What is wrong with objection 1.
We should not do something just because someone did something what they did may or may not be a sin and may or may not be a sin for us even if it is or is not for them. Bad things happened to Job when he was doing good and all who want to live a godly life will suffer persecution. Solomon got punished for idol worship rather than purely polygamy. (By the way a few wives is not many wives but is still more than one wife.)

What is wrong with objection 2.
A. Commands that apply…


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